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Surprise, surprise, surprise.
He's back for another day.
Because we had to cut it short yesterday.
Corey is back in the house.
Because there was so much to talk about
yesterday.
So much to talk about yesterday.
We barely got to anything.
And I had that stupid meeting.
And I was texting you like...
The meeting was scheduled for thirty
minutes.
It ended up going fifty three minutes.
I say an hour later and not nothing
relevant occurred after minute eight.
But you do know how important those people
are now.
We do.
They have hired that will not hired us.
They've reached out to us.
So we have a job site to look
for work.
They reached out to us to say, hey,
can you put a splash page about our
program helping specific workers in the
field that they kind of work with?
I don't want to call them out on
the show because I do like getting a
paycheck every two weeks.
As it turns out, yeah.
And so they wanted us to create a
splash page
on our site so that their workers could
come look for work on our page.
But during the process told us how great
their website was.
Why are you reaching out for us to
help you out?
If you're so good at it,
just take it on.
I don't need the extra work.
I need you to make me a cake.
I mean, my cake is great.
It's fantastic,
but I just need you to make me
one.
It's not because mine isn't delicious,
but I just need you to make me
one for some reason.
It sounds like they have funds that they
have to burn through,
otherwise they won't get them allocated
next year.
I don't think their site's as good as
they think it is, but okay.
But before we get into the CrossFit stuff,
one more update on my mom's story.
So we get a call back from the
superintendent of the school after we had
asked why there was no ambulance called
for her.
Yes.
The response was,
my mom is a cafeteria worker.
She's a lunch lady.
Their response was,
we don't have a policy for cafeteria
workers.
What about human beings?
They're contracted in.
What about people?
So you're telling me the UPS guy comes
in with a hundred pound package,
trips and falls on your floor.
You got a policy for that?
Bro.
I...
The woman fell and hit her head on
the floor.
Hit her head.
And you picked her up and asked her
friend to come pick her up and take
her to the hospital.
First of all, aside from the obvious,
how do you even know she has a
friend to call?
like that seems like it'd take a whole
lot more work to get to than going
nine, one, one.
We just have that.
Like what,
what if a parent comes in for a
teacher's conference trips and falls and
hits their head?
You're going to pick them up and say,
go about your way.
We did Dad's on Duty a couple weeks
ago at my daughter's school.
I high-fived seven hundred kids in the
morning.
If one of us dads that had been
there would have fell down and busted her
head on the concrete outside,
I can guarantee you the ambulance would
have been there within ten minutes.
Tops.
Because common sense.
Hey, this dude's hurt.
We can't do anything.
Somebody call an ambulance.
When someone hits their head,
you can't see a brain bleed.
You can't see a fracture.
It's just common.
Medical professional, an EMS person,
come in and assess the situation.
Put them on a backboard,
whatever it needs to be,
and transport them to a place where they
can do imaging.
Put them in the vehicle specifically
designed to haul people to the hospital,
right?
uh hey jody it's oh no wrong one
uh that school lacks common sense scary
thought those people were teaching
children absolutely very yeah it is so so
dumb um it's outrageous he's practicing
c-o-y-a it's common human decency but how
does that cover his ass they don't have
a policy
It is an accident that happened in your
facility, on your grounds,
and my mom is like the tenth person
to fall because of these floors being
sticky.
So there is other precedents happening.
The liability is you can cover your ass
all you want with this policy BS,
but you're going to get sued.
It's like signing a waiver at a gym.
That's great.
You signed a waiver.
Good for you.
so uh anyway anyway moving on moving on
that's the issue i got to deal with
um but it it just how's she feeling
Uh, she's much yesterday.
She was more sore than the day it
happened.
Right.
Just like the day after a car accident.
So the shiner on her eye is really
bad.
It's spread.
So when I talked to her on Tuesday,
uh,
it was just contained like right in like
the eye socket.
Now it's done though.
Like, cause it's healing.
It's spread out like down the cheek and
around, uh,
Um, so, um, but she,
she went to workers comp,
she's doing all that kind of stuff to
going out all the paperwork.
So, uh,
a waiver is basically two pages of,
please don't consider suing me.
So, um,
what do we want to talk about today?
feel like you got everything out yesterday
i mean we've met dude i've always got
something to say about something well
first thing i wanted to talk about is
i watched the end of the pat fowler
video with coffee pods and wads i was
only about halfway through when we talked
yesterday everybody said i had to see the
last ten minutes or so yeah it gets
it gets pretty uh it's pretty pretty crazy
at the end um he said some things
that really kind of made me scratch my
head and and yes the theme of yesterday
must have been delusion
We had the Will Morad delusional thing
going on with that the games would be
a tour stop on the WFP.
And then we have Vellner saying that
everybody is taking things out on the
athletes.
And they're not giving it a chance.
I've really not heard anybody bash the
athletes.
Yeah.
Sprague was on with Savan this morning,
and Savan was saying,
and I was agreeing with, like,
I don't give a shit what you do.
Like,
if you want to compete in every
competition that rolls around,
outstanding, good for you.
But don't... And forgive me,
I'm trying to gather this...
Don't do it and then act like you're
doing it out of, you know,
choose one or the other and then act
like you're doing it for a reason.
That's not actually like, say why you say,
just be honest with it.
Hey, this is why I'm doing this.
Cool.
Good for you.
Moving right along.
I found that unusual.
Right.
And I,
and I watched them on this morning in
the opening with him and spray gone the
whole thing.
And I'm trying not to just rehash what
they did,
because I thought they did make excellent
points.
Absolutely.
What I will say is that him saying
that the people who chose to just do
WFP have been...
unfairly criticized.
And I just,
I have not seen it toward the athletes.
Now, maybe he's getting DMS.
Maybe he's seeing something that I don't
see,
but I haven't really seen the direct
attack on the athletes that chose just to
do that one.
I doubt he's getting DMS because he said
he barely gets on social media anymore.
Sure.
Which is another weird thing to say,
that if you are barely getting on social
media,
then how would you even know or come
to the conclusion that people are shitting
on the athletes for choosing one over the
other?
I don't know.
CrossFat says,
I guess I can only see Pat's friend
died,
and Pat can't get past CrossFit with that,
and so his rational decision-making is
gone.
Maybe that's what it is.
But with Pat, I know why he left.
He told us why he left.
Okay, I can respect that.
You went and you did it, fine.
But I don't think people have attacked him
for that.
They may have attacked him for foolish
things he said with the PFAA or things
that didn't make sense or contradictory
comments, which I think is...
So let's take one step back.
So you have the athlete piece, right?
Now you have the whole people attacking
unfairly the WFP.
And I thought Peter had made a pretty
good point to say that they came out
and said, we're going to do it better.
When you come out and say you're going
to do it better,
you yourself are setting the bar way up
here.
Right?
Because you're coming out with an edge
saying, because of this,
we are going to do it better.
And then you keep messing up.
And that's one aspect of it.
But the true problem with the WFP is
they keep lying and then contradicting
themselves.
And they're trying to make it seem like
the media are doing this.
And that the media,
they don't criticize CrossFit,
but they're criticizing them.
Oh, my gosh.
If you have watched this show, Savon,
Pillar,
CrossFit has been hitting the nose way
more times than WFP in the last five
years.
Weekly.
I would say weekly.
Sometimes daily.
I have never seen a decision HQ has
made.
The design of this season has been
horrific for CrossFit.
Now they had a good CrossFit games.
It was very enjoyable.
And it's,
I think bounced back a lot of the
negative publicity because it came with a
new ad campaign.
It came back with forging elite fitness.
It came back with a lot of things
around that games time to kind of get
you to rally around that.
But the semifinal season was a complete
mess.
Yeah.
And that.
Everybody called it out from the initial
get-go from when it was announced.
Oh,
we're going to do the online qualifier in
the middle of the live ones.
You're going to do what?
And you won't know the results for two
weeks.
So when you're doing these other
semifinals,
we don't really know who's qualifying
until those final results happen.
Might make a difference.
Might not.
Who knows?
Nobody does.
And again, like you said, from day one,
as soon as that was announced,
people were like, this is insane.
This is insane.
This is crazy.
Why are y'all doing this?
This shouldn't be like this.
Over and over and over and over again.
Bro.
Jenny said it the best.
It's Delulu.
And it seems to be a contagious disease.
Lately.
Well, it's the echo chamber effect, right?
Or like, who was it?
Somebody said it in the comments a minute
ago.
The whole,
why aren't you outraged with me type deal.
Well, because I don't care.
Or because my outrage doesn't look like
yours.
And that's okay.
Like, if that's what you want to do,
dude, nobody's knocking you for it.
Do what you want to do.
That's perfectly fine.
That right there.
Nobody wins with you.
Why aren't you outraged with them?
That's a hard fact.
If something bothers Scott so much...
That he needs to speak on it and
say something about it.
He's not going to drag me with it
to say the exact same thing.
Forty five times in a row.
It's just not how Scott operates.
It's not how most people operate.
I would venture to think most rational
people.
Right.
You're not going to just I don't
understand why you're not so mad.
Well,
because that doesn't affect me in any kind
of way.
Like, I don't.
Why would I get mad at something like
that?
Why would I get mad at stuff that
is beyond my level of control?
When you come out and say,
we're not competing with CrossFit,
and then two weeks later,
you're trying to steal CrossFit affiliates
to become affiliates of your program.
That's where you lose people.
Within like two weeks.
Right.
You can't say that over here and then
do this.
Yeah, we're not going to,
it's like a restaurant,
a fast food restaurant opening across the
street from Subway saying that we're not
really in competition with them.
There's plenty of people to go around.
We are going to sell the exact same
sandwiches and carry the exact same meats
and basically have more or less the same
type things.
We're going to tweak it just a tiny
bit.
We're not in contact.
We're not in contact, you know.
It's not competition.
We're not competing with CrossFit,
but sometime in the future,
I could see them as a tour stop
of ours.
That's not still...
If that's not competing,
that's saying we're going to crush them to
the point that their only survival is to
become a tour stop.
They're going to beg to come and be
a part of our thing.
I...
do i i'm gonna go with you i'm
gonna go with jenny's choice of word there
it's absolutely that it's a bold strategy
cotton it is a bold strategy and then
going on podcast and calling things petty
arguments it was created
out of a petty argument.
WFP was created out of a petty argument.
You didn't like the way CrossFit did
things.
You didn't like the way they handled
Lazar's death.
And so you decided that you were going
to create a competitor to take advantage
of that and build a place for other
people to come where they were taken care
of much better.
For athletes by athletes.
Now, we may have some broken bikes.
We may have a broken GHD.
We may, you know, who knows?
You may have to work out in the
dark.
Or not.
But we're going to take care of you
better.
And so I've said this once before.
When your foundation is building it out of
hate,
that's not a foundation to stand on for
long term.
No.
That's not a business plan.
The games grew organically out of from the
very first time when Greg said,
let's have a little festival.
Let's see who can do these better.
We'll do a couple of workouts in a
day,
which at the time was absolutely insane.
And then year over year,
it just got bigger.
Now let's have a qualifying progress to
get a step,
whatever you want to call it,
qualifying progression to get here.
Oh,
we need to change that up a little
bit because we're not getting the right
people.
Oh, well,
now it's so big we need to add
stuff to it.
It's going on over twenty years.
And then, oh,
I don't like the way they did one
thing, so two things, three things.
So instead of maybe
being the change that I want to see
in it, advocating for it,
seeing what will happen for it,
which is going to create an entirely new
thing and act like we're not recreating
what's already there.
And in the meantime,
we're going to claim that we're doing it
bigger and better,
even though that's not necessarily,
it's not.
And then you find out halfway through, oh,
this is not nearly as easy as I
thought it was going to be.
I do think Will admitting that when he
was talking to Pedro the other day was
pretty big of him going, oh, yeah, no,
it turns out this is way harder than
I thought it was going to be.
Well, yeah,
of course it is because you had no
idea what you were doing to begin with,
which is fine.
Jump right in.
Both feet, you got money behind you.
And it's not yours.
Who gives a shit?
Go for it.
But don't come out and say it's going
to be this great, phenomenal,
fantastic thing when you have absolutely
no idea what you're building or trying to
build.
Vellner's try is deflecting away from the
attempted defect and dividing fans and
trying to drive other athletes away from
the game season.
I think that is what they have been
trying to do.
I think that if you listen to Pat
in that interview,
other than the last ten minutes,
he was softening his stance and saying,
maybe I'll do the CrossFit game season,
but it depends on who owns it next
season.
Right.
Which that's fair.
A lot of people are saying that.
Yeah.
But also, I think,
and maybe this is my athlete brain kicking
in a little bit,
but I think part of it has to
do with he's thirty five.
His best years, more than likely,
are behind him at this point.
WFP, he can go over there.
He's already a part of it.
He knows he's going to make money,
whatever.
He can still keep doing the thing he
wants to do without having to come in
or the master's category where you know
you're not going to get the recognition,
much less the money, sponsorships,
whatever the case may be.
And it's hard to let go of.
So it's real easy to be petty at
that point.
Yeah.
I want to speak to Sean's thing here.
How to handle an athlete's death wasn't a
petty argument,
but using that as a knee-jerk excuse to
start the WFP is shallow.
Why I call it a petty argument is
having an athlete die had to be one
of the hardest things for anyone in the
concert space to ever have to handle.
Nobody anticipated this day coming.
Nobody thought this day was becoming,
and they were being judged so severely for
how they reacted in the hours after that
occurred.
My point about petty is everybody that is
criticized CrossFit in the way they
handled it have never told me how it
should be,
should have been handled differently.
Ben Bergeron, when asked,
how do you handle it differently then?
Well, I don't know.
And that was six months after the fact.
You've had six months to think about it
and you still can't come up with a
way to do it better.
I'll give you one better because I
finished that statement for you.
Ben not only said, I don't know.
He said, I don't know,
but I would have done it better.
right no you don't like everybody they're
just mad but nobody nobody can take and
put themselves in the shoes of those
people who had to handle that situation
and figured out how to do it better
and told me what was the solution yes
they don't have one scott
It's screaming at the sky.
It's being mad because the sun came up
again and poor Lazarus is still dead.
God bless him.
Nobody wanted to see that.
Nobody wanted that to happen.
It's unprecedented.
It has not happened in our sport at
all, ever.
It's the first one.
I, we have a,
we have a running joke at our gym
and ever so might,
when you have some ridiculous workout and
people are laying on the ground,
like breathing hard and sweating and,
you know,
basically a mess and you just lay on
and be like, Hey, just so you know,
to date, nobody has died in here.
We're going to keep that streak going
today.
Right.
Cause we wouldn't know what to do if
somebody did other than to call the
ambulance.
Right.
To expect people to just know what to
do when something,
especially he didn't collapse on the
floor.
The thing I hate most about society today
is it's really easy to sit on the
sidelines and say you did it wrong,
but nobody offers the solution.
How would you have done it differently
then?
It's really easy to sit over there and
say, you didn't handle that right.
But nobody, nobody has offered up.
This is what should have happened.
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
Yes, Vicki.
I'm kind of with you, Vindicate.
I don't know why that bugs me.
It bugs me.
It was crooked.
I grew up in the day of like,
you round it down.
I can't.
Well, I can, but it's a whole thing.
If I do that with the sunglasses that
I have, I can't.
It sits up like on this part of
my head.
Anyway.
In the midst of all that,
none of them tried to unite the community
in any way or be a part of
the solution.
It was a great time to step up
and no one did.
I think there were people that understood
what was going on and tried to say
they understood.
Being there in that arena that weekend,
it sucked.
Yeah, I remember.
It was so hard.
And I wasn't even in charge of doing
anything.
And I was...
paralyzed for moments because it sucked so
bad so how could I point a finger
at Dave or Boz or Don Fall and
tell them they did it wrong when I'm
sitting there in the arena going what the
hell just happened because I couldn't have
I wasn't thinking clearly that day and I
knew I knew Lazar on a
surface level right like he knew my name
i knew his name we talked a couple
times he's been on the show a bunch
it hit me hard and i am sure
the same happened to them i am sure
that dave and don and all those people
were devastated and then they were given
instructions by a board on how to handle
a situation
And it was an impossible task to be
the face of that.
They did the best they could with the
information that was given to them and the
situation that it was.
Was it fantastic?
Nope.
And you know this had a big part
in what went down.
Absolutely, it did.
Lawyers played a big part in what went
down.
Absolutely, it did.
just like we talked with my mom at
the top of the show liability resides with
the people holding the contest the
competition and i don't know well enough
about that um a couple other things i
wanted to ask you about one you know
close with tristan i'm close with hattie i
know you're close with tristan yesterday
hattie was on glit and things and she
made the announcement that she has left
tristan and moved on to a different coach
how shocked were you because i i almost
wrecked the jeep i was on my way
i was on my way home i really
did finishing the documentary from behind
the scenes at the games with the two
of them yeah
and I've been scrambling ever since I
watched that last night to, and I,
and I got permission from the Glintons to,
uh,
be able to use that as the end
of the documentary because it,
it shifts the whole ending of the doc
and,
And I know bigger than that.
Like I just, and I understand, you know,
sometimes you just need a different
perspective.
You're in even an average Joe,
one coach says something to you and it
doesn't click.
Another coach comes over and says
something to you and all of a sudden,
bam.
Oh, I get it now.
I did not have that on my twenty
twenty five bingo card at all.
Was not even an option in my head.
Right.
Uh,
having said that the fact that it's
amicable and that Tristan is like,
absolutely, you know,
we had a fantastic run,
which are none but the best, you know,
and how do you say in, uh,
same thing, you know, Hey,
it is what it is.
I'm moving on, you know,
still love Tristan to death, you know,
gluten form, all that stuff.
Like didn't see it coming,
but the fact that there it's,
I won't say a good thing,
but it ended well,
I guess you could say.
That made me happy.
Well, now she's going to Brute,
and it's been brought up here.
That and the Brute moving shook me,
and the Brute changes are wild.
I don't even know all the changes,
because I'm not done with Siobhan from
this morning,
and I know James is just kind of
getting into it when I had to quit
watching.
They're leaving Jacksonville.
Even Jacksonville.
That's as far as I got to because
I was in and out.
And I heard James say that Dallin is
going to move someplace to have better
balance in life.
I can only assume he's moving back to
the Pacific Northwest.
Right.
Or he's moving in next door to Jason.
I don't know.
They bought the house next door to
Jason's.
They're going to work out in Jason's barn
together.
Or build a barn that goes over the
two property lines.
I like it.
I like it.
It's a solid plan, let's be honest.
Yeah, Hattie is going to Brute.
Sounds like Matt is moving somewhere no
one else would go.
Like Vermont?
Is that what you're getting at, Travis?
Oh, I cracked myself.
Crazy.
Crazy.
So I just found that, you know,
like it was just like three years ago,
like the camps were the biggest thing and
everybody was moving to the camp and to
work out every day.
And now most of the camps seem to
be remote.
I would...
I can see both sides as far as
the camps.
Like if you're in it every single day
and you are two killers, right?
If you are Jason and Dallin and you
are next to each other every single day,
it would be very,
very hard to have a normal training
session that does not turn into a
competition.
And doing that every single day is not
going to be healthy whatsoever for your
longevity.
Uh, they just made that word up, uh,
for your fitness in general,
because you cannot compete every single
day and expect to be able to recover
and get ready and be good for the
next day.
Uh, remember comp train academy.
Briefly.
Yeah, I do.
That worked for half a season?
Yes.
I want to say four months.
I want to say four months,
beginning to end.
I remember whenever they announced it,
thinking, yeah, I mean, okay.
Kind of like IMG Academy or whatnot.
People go there, and they live there,
and that's what they do.
Yeah.
P.O.
is moving to Boston.
I'm betting you that that doesn't even
matter because they just brought on
Justin.
Justin is not leaving Vegas.
It's all remote anyway.
Yeah.
So really the only one that the only
two places that have a headquarters that
matter is TTT and proven mayhem.
I forgot about them.
They're kind of big.
I mean,
mayhem is kind of a big deal at
that point.
And mayhem is not just mayhem, right?
It's Cookville in general.
Because it's mayhem and it's the barn.
Yeah,
the barn doesn't get used as much as
it used to.
I think Rich was disappointed in that.
If you've watched some of their latest
videos,
he's been trying to encourage the athletes
to show up at the barn and use
it because it's there.
Because it's in his back court.
I would, too.
guys wait wait see i'm across the old
man i don't want anybody but i don't
want to see people he also get out
of here right um i i also get
the feeling from matt oh not from matt
excuse me from rich that he enjoys having
people around like he wants somebody to
come work out with him so he can
write some nonsense on the board and they
can destroy themselves for thirty minutes
to an hour
Like, I feel like that,
that's a whole thing.
I would, I would, I train myself.
Ninety percent of the time.
And when I do get to get people
to come do stuff with me,
it's just more fun, dude.
It really, really is.
When I said TTT CrossFit,
what I was meaning is their headquarters
still matter.
They have a lot of camps there.
They bring in athletes for longer periods
of time to do X things, right?
I'm sure they'll all be in there for
quarterfinals.
They'll all be there for online
semifinals.
I'm subscribed to their YouTube channel.
They still put out videos daily.
And like CTP is on top of his
shit.
And even mayhem,
a lot of the athletes are remote.
But they also spend a lot of time
in Cookville, like the main one.
Yeah.
And they're invited there to do all the
major competitions and all the,
that's kind of the same thing.
The same thing with most of their athletes
are Australian.
They're not in Nashville year round.
No, but the American ones,
like they're at the headquarters.
I feel like a lot.
uh their youtube's great it's a more
genuine hwpo model now yeah i agree i've
always liked ttt's content um ctp is
awesome and he's just a great dude he's
one of the people i hang out with
whenever i'm at events um
still will never forget when he went on
beyond uh around the whiteboard with pedro
and he opened a freaking uh pokemon cord
pack as part of one of his minute
long sessions or uh answers or whatnot
like the dude is he's good people he's
just funny he doesn't take anything too
seriously
He's just a good dude, man.
The TTT stuff is fun to watch because
they don't take it too seriously either.
They sound like me and my friends when
we sit around and talk about programming
and cops and stuff like that.
It's enjoyable to watch.
It really, really is.
In the Lydia Fish video,
they talked about what Fortnite and Call
of Duty and Taco Bell as much as
they talked about her doing the workouts.
That's what I love about it.
Speaking of the camps,
a question I've actually had on my notes
to ask you for a while now is
how many opportunities should an athlete
get?
So, you know, in sports,
they always say like the amount of
mistakes you can make correlates with the
talent that you have.
Correct.
Right.
If you suck and you make a mistake,
you're probably getting cut.
If you're really great athletically and
you make a mistake,
you probably get like five or six of
those before the threat of a cut or
a trade comes up.
Yeah.
So we have people like Sarah Sigmund's
daughter who have been with every camp
under the sun.
And now we have Daniel Brandon,
who has been underdog, brute,
a couple coaches at brute.
Now with Adam Neifert,
how many opportunities does she get?
Is there,
if she doesn't succeed with brute,
is there any place she can go after
this?
Where else is there for her to go?
Let me ask you this.
Sorry about that.
Who else is willing to try to take
it on when everything she does is public?
When everything she does, not everything.
I mean, I say everything.
That's kind of mean.
But when most of the stuff she does,
and it turns out to be public,
it's not great.
from a publicity standpoint where she
comes off as being very very hard to
work with very diva-ish very you know i
mean she's putting do not use signs on
machines at the at the gym because they're
because they're daniels yeah antonio brown
josh gordon their talent levels were so
high they got so many opportunities in the
nfl
There is no debating that Danielle
Brandon's talent level is at a level that
is very rarely seen.
If she doesn't can the back squat,
she's on the podium this year.
Period.
End of story.
If she does not shit can the back
squat at the games,
she is on the podium.
High on the podium.
So it ain't like she's not,
but how much other stuff are you willing
to put up with?
And what's the upside for the coaches?
And that's the other thing.
How many coaches have the ego that think
I'm the one that can make it click?
Right.
So I think it's twofold.
It's she has the talent level to be
a podium athlete at the CrossFit Games.
And how many coaches are left that have
the ego to say,
I know that all these other coaches
failed,
but I got something they don't and I
can make it click.
I'm the one that's going to bring her
back to center and get her up on
the podium.
If not, when?
She's fit, dude.
Insanely so.
It's just an interesting thought, like,
Adam is a insanely nice guy.
Ridiculously nice guy, right?
You know, doing good and well,
whenever they asked him, you know, Hey,
y'all could just kind of shepherd her for
the games or whatnot.
And he was like, yeah, sure.
Right.
It wasn't like, Oh yeah.
Like I, there was,
there's no way that was a thing.
That's probably one of those.
You get off the phone and you're like,
okay, here we go.
Because you got to start thinking about
how we're going to make this actually
happen and how we're actually going to
make it work.
Just for mirrors,
no one wants that poison in their gym.
That's what people said about Antonio
Brown, Dennis Rodman, Terrell Owens.
To be fair,
all the time for that to wear out.
To be fair,
as far as Dennis Rodman is concerned,
um you look at all the documentaries and
whatnot that he's in especially like the
uh the one about the bulls is that
when they just left him alone and let
him do his thing he was fine he
might have showed up with you know six
different color hair or some extra
piercings that he didn't have the day
before or whatnot and probably would have
been hung over but he's going to get
you fifteen twenty rebounds a night yeah
but how many games does he miss during
while you're letting him be himself
Not enough to not win three championships
in a row.
So there's that.
CrossFit says,
I've definitely looked at her and said,
I can fix her.
I know you're joking.
I know that this is a joke.
But I am telling you,
there are coaches that are saying that.
Oh, absolutely.
And on the flip side,
I know one personally who said,
I would not touch that with a ten-foot
pole.
Yeah.
He said, there's no possible way.
Not happening.
So there's that.
I would say it's very,
I like the analogy you used.
Yeah.
When he went missing with Carmen Electra
and MJ had to go get him.
Yeah.
I very much like the analogy you used
of the, what's the upside?
Right?
And how many high-end coaches are left
that will say, right?
Underdogs is done as a thing.
Justin is now HWPO.
So if Justin's now HWPO,
she's not going over there.
That ain't going to happen.
Right?
Adam is over there and kind of
shepherding, doing whatever.
But unless somebody else that we don't
know about yet,
One of these people who's like, oh,
I can fix her.
I can definitely fix her.
Let me ask you this, too.
How many others are there?
Sarah's been everywhere, right?
But everybody loves Sarah.
Sarah's been everywhere because she's
looking at other people going,
I can probably go over there and get
better.
You've never heard a story where Sarah
Sigma's daughter was run out of camp or
run off of somebody's training program.
If Cutler couldn't handle her,
no one else can.
I truly believe that,
but let me throw this out to you.
Why does it have to be a big
camp?
If you are one of these smaller people
like Golden Line or Tristan or one of
these coaches on the up and coming that
are trying to make a name for themselves,
if you can be the one to fix
Danielle,
what does that do for your trajectory as
a coach for the rest of your career?
You'd have to convince her of that first.
True.
I'm just saying that it's worth the gamble
if you're a smaller coach.
She finished, what, fifth this year?
Fourth.
Fourth.
It was fifth or fourth,
something like that.
Last year,
we'll throw that out the window, right?
But she's been hovering in that top ten
zone, right?
Top ten,
top five zone the past couple of years.
As an athlete...
Like that's going to do some stuff for
your head and thinking, well,
I don't know who the hell you are.
Why?
Like,
that's a tough sell is what I'm getting
at for these, you know, up and coming.
It's all about the option she has.
And if she doesn't have any,
because something doesn't go right with
knife hurt,
then she may have to go down to
like a coach like that.
Or she programs for herself.
But then who do you blame?
I just keep thinking that.
As soon as you say who you blame,
I picture in that ice bucket at the
games, bitching at Matt, at Torres,
about I should have done or about
whatever.
You can't do that.
At some point, I can't.
If I, okay, at Monster Games,
I was on track to win an event.
I missed my second-to-last bar muscle-up
of the entire thing.
I can't go back and bitch at Brandon
for not programming enough.
I'm performing, not him, right?
He's just giving me tools,
sending me on my way.
It's a personal responsibility at that
point.
Did anyone know she works out in her
garage and does her own programming?
I want her an REO like tight.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, that's enough about that.
The last thing I just wanted to talk
about is James talked about today on
Savan,
his requirements for posting on social
media that he has right now with sponsors
is he has to get thirty five posts
out in a month.
That is crazy.
That's a lot.
It's a lot.
I
How do you stay genuine to who you
are?
And as he was talking,
I just kept thinking like, James,
the reason people stay with you are
because you're authentic, right?
That's why they're with you.
And the more requirements they make of him
on these posts,
the less authentic he can even be.
Yeah.
After a while,
you're going to start recycling stuff.
And what else are you going to do?
That's more than one a day.
I don't know.
It's crazy.
Not to mention all the other stuff he's
got going on.
Like I heard Vindicate is a bastard.
If Colton doesn't post every sixty nine
minutes, he gets a lashing.
Oh, wait.
Oh, there it is.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Travis is rough.
That's why he won't sponsor me.
Cause I know I won't post every six
to nine minutes.
I'm like, nah, dude,
I got other stuff to do.
Um, back to James,
he's got a lot of shit going on.
He is training, right?
Sponsoring stuff.
He's got this competition he's putting
together.
He's programming for,
he's doing all the things for he's got
the people that he trains as well.
Like he was going through it this morning
and talking about all of it.
I was like,
I didn't realize how much stuff he
actually has his fingers in at twenty
three years old.
And it's a lot.
A whole lot.
When I when I interviewed him when he
was, I think, seventeen,
he had started his own businesses then
like he was doing a programming that teens
could buy when he was seventeen years old.
I think he just has that spirit in
him that he wants to be busy.
His mind moves at a thousand miles an
hour.
I mean, if you've been around him,
he is like the Energizer bunny and he
just needs to be moving and occupied at
all times.
And I think that's probably when he's
best.
Oh, absolutely.
Anybody I've ever met that's myself
included that needs to be engaged like
during the day.
Vindicate is not going to spark you
because you wear flat-billed hats.
Send me a shirt.
I love Travis.
You know, when I was a kid,
we used to put a baseball in the
brim and take a rubber band and wrap
around the bill to get it to be
really curved.
If you see one of the other ones
that's in my Jeep, it looks like that.
One of my newer hats from the gym.
Anyway.
Anyway.
Yeah.
I operate better when I'm doing four
things at once.
Because it keeps my mind occupied.
Like I'm during the course of a day,
I am working on a quote.
I'm talking on the phone to somebody at
the same time.
I got music playing on the other end,
like.
My wife hates it because I need noise
and I need stuff going on to be
able to keep them unoccupied.
If I just sit here and just left
them on devices, it's not good.
Yeah, that much stuff going on,
I usually cut off a finger.
I said my wife hates it.
When we had to work together at home
when the world shut down,
We were on opposite ends of the living
room and that she was about ready to
murder me after the first day because I
got music playing.
I got to answer the phone.
I talked to people.
I'm click clacking on the keyboard and
whatnot.
And she likes it quiet.
Like I'll go pop in the house for
lunch some days and open the front door
and can't hear nothing.
And she's working.
And I'm like,
how do you sit here in silence all
day long?
I fall asleep.
There's no possible way.
I need noise.
I need something.
And I feel like that's how James' brain
probably works as well.
He needs fourteen projects to keep him
occupied.
Yeah.
Well, now he's gone almost an hour.
And yeah, Joseph,
that is the old school method because I
am old.
It's cool.
To be fair, nine times out of ten,
my head is usually like this anyway.
Well,
that's because Will Morad makes it look so
good.
It also had to be like this, though.
It looked like I just smoked a bowl
and just sitting here talking to you.
I got it forward because it's got my
people going.
They're not sponsoring the show,
but it doesn't matter.
We advertise.
Yeah.
Yeah.
it's tough to get sponsors for this
because you hear like what james is going
through and i'm very like uh nothing i
hate more than than our ad reads right
and i never want to do an ad
read and if i talk to a sponsor
like i am never doing an ad read
it's got to be something that like i
can talk about in the normal flow of
a conversation or something like when we
were with c-four like i could drink it
on air there you guys see it
And you guys know I truly was drinking
that shit all the time.
The case that you sent me,
the care package,
whatever you want to call it,
it lasted me over a month.
I still got the shaker bottle.
Yeah,
I'm almost done with the Heller video with
Liz.
It's great.
I love the stories of people who work
and do this CrossFit thing for a living.
And
She's badass, man.
I've got ten minutes left at the end
of that, but yeah,
I definitely caught most of it.
She's just one state over.
Where's she at?
Indiana.
Indiana.
Oh, Indiana.
One of my buddies texted me last night
and he's going to MFC next weekend and
said.
Is that next weekend already?
Yeah, next weekend or weekend after that.
It's in October coming up.
I had the memories from twenty three pop
up on my phone.
Matter of fact,
I flew home today two years ago.
I like you're texting me.
But anyway,
one of my partners who was competing in
my division was like, he said,
I got most of them done, you know,
just testing and whatnot.
He said,
you think you test a couple of them
for me?
Because I have no idea.
I need to go faster if I'm going
fast enough, blah, blah, whatever.
And I was,
felt pretty good about myself that I got
my peers over here and trying to get
me to test stuff for them because they
know I'm not going to see how they
stack up.
Mayhem podcast ads are better when Rich
read them half-assed.
Now they are pre-recorded and no fun.
I agree.
Yeah, I'd say so.
But I'd also say that when he did
them half-assed, when he first did that,
it was definitely refreshing.
But that even gets old after a bit.
But if you truly use the product,
why does it need to be a recorded
or even read thing?
It's probably in the contract.
But then don't sign the contract.
Like, say the contract,
I want to be able to talk about
it freely, how I use it.
I just...
other podcasts that do those red things
just bug the hell out of me oh
dude look i listen to the sean ryan
show um fairly often and you can go
look like as soon as it starts i
just i know it lasts about a minute
and a half or two minutes i just
start fast forward so i can get through
it because like i don't want to hear
about gold and that i need to buy
some or
pillows or whatever it is that you know
they're selling like i'm not buying any of
your stuff i just want to hear about
what this dude has to talk about back
in the day like rogan used to have
like eight minutes of ads before his show
started like nobody's sitting through
eight minutes of ads are all fast
forwarding talk about that uh the opie and
anthony show uh talk radio out of new
york
I remember listening to them.
I had to go find old episodes or
whatnot.
And they had people that would call in
or email to them or something like that,
complaining about the ads that they would
play.
Now, they're on the radio.
You have to play commercials.
You play too many and too many breaks
or whatnot.
And he's like,
why don't you just play all of them
at once?
And they were like,
you do not want us to play five
minutes of commercials at one time.
And I got an argument with a dude
on the phone,
and they played five minutes of
commercials at one time,
and it was absolute misery.
Like just having to sit there and just
go, oh, there's another.
Yeah.
Okay.
There's another one.
Yeah.
Jimmy John's.
That's fantastic.
I don't buy Volkswagen or whatever.
Terrible.
Absolutely terrible.
And I agree.
We are now sponsored by
On that note,
while we're talking about it.
Oh, that's good shit.
With that, guys,
thank you so much for hanging out with
us today.
It's been a blast.
I know Jan and Jake have Velner on
again today.
So you might want to go check that
out.
I love Jan and Jake.
I just don't know if I can do
another Velner video.
I'm curious.
So like, I'm going to turn it on,
but just cause I'm curious,
that's really it.
And then, um, starting next week,
I'm going to start bringing in some guests
during the week to have lunch with, um,
trying to make it more conversational,
just people from around the sport,
maybe an athlete, maybe, uh, someone else,
maybe a volunteer, maybe, um,
I don't know.
Tuesday, I'm having Josh Hicks on,
the head of medical for both WFP and
has been brought in on many events in
the CrossFit space.
He cut his teeth in CrossFit for many
years.
He's been a friend of mine ever since
I was a volunteer back in twenty thirteen.
So we're going to talk and he's putting
together programs and safety protocol for
all fitness events.
good for him and uh he is he
was he was brought in on the age
group crossfit games wfp has hired him to
do all of their events um and he's
been brought in on a lot of the
other crossfit stuff too waterpalooza uh
things like that so uh that's his
full-time job now he was an ems uh
helicopter ems person
Like food helicopter or rodent helicopter?
Rodent helicopter, two sites to do EMS.
So he'll be on next Tuesday.
We'll talk about what's going on in space,
what his interpretation of everything is,
what he,
how he feels about what's going on in
space from his perspective.
And that'll be next Tuesday.
And we're going to kind of keep those
kinds of things rolling just to,
especially during the off season to shake
things up a little bit.
When are you going on Chris's show?
Today.
Hmm.
Just about an hour and forty five minutes
from now.
All right.
So.
Well, listen,
I am curious to add with how the
conversation is going with Jan and Jake
and Patty.
My guess is we're going to be talking
about kids and they don't even touch on
the other stuff.
That's that's kind of leaning towards
because Jake could give a shit less about
the sport.
Yep.
Oh, dude, man.
Thanks.
Syndicate, twenty dollars.
Lunch on me today.
Thanks for the content.
Thank you.
We truly appreciate that.
So with that,
we'll go out on a high note.
We'll get some lunch now.
With that,
we'll see everybody tomorrow on Lunch with
the Clydesdale.
I'll be on Chris Beasterfield's podcast in
about an hour and forty five minutes.
I can't wait to hang out with you
guys there.
Bye, guys.
Sure, we'll find this.
There it is.